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  2. Promoting autocross

    Last event held there was already dicey. We deemed it pointless to try others as the risks outweighed the benefits. The rrx put a new surface lot in west of the site but it is gravel. If it was paved it could have lots of potential for us to use it. The best option still is/was the sludge lot but the city of winnipeg has shut us down after setting up the police driver training site there (like we shared with at rrx prior) Every lot built as of late has poles and structures put in places that make the sites unsafe or unsuitable. If only we could get st vital or polo park mall to stay closed Sundays/weekends. On a crazy note, is there a holiday the malls are forced to stay closed? Could we not hire security on one of those few days and hold an event on such a location? Something to ponder if the owners would allow it. Manitoba holidays: (ones potentially useable listed) Good FridayVictoria DayCanada DayLabour Day
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  4. Promoting autocross

    I just checked out RRX area The parking lot south east of the Downs race track is large enough for an event but needs to be resurfaced. This would be an excellent autocross lot if 1. you could get it and 2. it was resurfaced Our old race area still looks the same, large bump between the east and north ends and large man hole protruding 2 inch's up at the same transition area. Also new buildings and access roads into the area. I would deem this area as borderline dangerous do to the proximity of the buildings and confinement of the area and I would not recommend it for autocross.
  5. So you want to race on ICE?

    try this: 2017 Sup Regs (Ice) I will need to update it with the 2018 regs once they are released.
  6. So you want to race on ICE?

    The supplemental regulations link is broken, I'd like to read it please
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  8. Promoting autocross

    We tried a lot of things to get people to make the drive to Fort Macleod, including special events, and even free entry for first timers. There was (and is) only one thing that seemed to work for us -- a novice school at no extra charge (no timing and no marshalling by anyone). There were a large number of people that came for the school and were never seen again, but there have been a few that have become regular attendees.
  9. POT LUCK!

    Stu Mclachlan will bring cake
  10. Promoting autocross

    Agreed. And if I had a million dollars I'd be rich. I don't, and we don't have other venue options. That's why we're having this discussion. Thanks for trying.
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    Nobody is going to care about special events like "team battles" and other junk if you don't get people coming out in the first place. Things like that will only cater to an established crowd of participants. The number one thing is location. Location. Location. Back when we had the Ex grounds, we'd have 70+ competitors and the sidelines would be packed with people. It was close by, word got out, and people came to both race and watch. Nobody is going to drive out to a beat up airfield at St. Andrews for something they're unsure about. All this talk of special events is just pointless garnish without a proper venue to have them at. Get a new (and good) venue sorted out first, and the people will come.
  12. Promoting autocross

    So there are a TON of great ideas in this thread. But I feel like by the time I read the 7th good idea, the first 3 have already slipped out of my memory. I suggest we have an end-of-year meeting to discuss what we want to do next year and how to accompish it. Special events (team events, double headers, etc.) are great idea, but remember they take more work to pull off. E.g. a few years ago we had 1 charitable event with sponsors and a special team battle in between run groups (over lunch). We had a dedicated person organize that event and it took a lot of her time to organize everything. Lots of prep involved with pulling it off. If we start doing special events we either need to make them adaptable to our current system (i.e. works with our software) or have somone dedicated to each event, like a Chief of Event for that one day. We can't simply ask Shawn, Matt, Josh and the others to simply do more with less and not expect them to revolt at some point! RE: Event participation vs quantity of events - Like Rjames said, it's a bit of a catch 22, but there are some fixed costs to each event. In general, fewer but larger events are better for the club's sustainability. If we had e.g. only 10-12 "points" events plus maybe 4-5 fun / T&T / intro for rookies / special events, then that might keep things more interesting. I really like the idea of the "Intro to Autoslalom" fun event, similar to our T&T where Rob/Chris/whoever is a coach available for anyone who wants, but also with some fun ridealongs in cool cars as well. It would have to be a non-points event of course. And we could try the rookie taxi thing then, too. Awesome! RE: Food vendors - a bit off topic IMO. It's not our biggest problem. If we can get more attendees, then this is no longer a problem. Fewer events with more attendance also helps in this regard. As suggested, BYO lunch isn't terrible, and we can schedule a vendor for just a few select events next year to keep the costs down until attendance picks up again. RE: Brian's video ideas - I love them. Makes me think we could design and produce our own promo video. Can we pull this off? Seems like a lot of work, but maybe not if it's a very short video (30 sec?) and with a team of volunteers to help. I've seen 8 minute videos explaining what autocross is, we don't need that. We need something flashy and cool. For example, I really like the NOTT commercial that's still on TV (the one with the R8 and Milt Stegall). For those who don't know, our very own Joe did the stunt driving for that one. It's only 30 seconds long and total car footage is maybe 10-15 sec, but the whole thing is well produced with cool music and cool car clips. We could come up with a script just by using forum discussion and then we'd need to shoot some new footage. From what I understand the video footage was all shot in 1 day. Then someone would need to post process and edit it all together. Can we maybe ask the company who did the video production if they could assist us with a promo video?
  13. Promoting autocross

    Where was this sandbox thread mentioned? did I miss something or was something deleted that would have made sense of this?
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    I've been reading that thread on the sandbox too. Very neat stuff out there! But everything hinges on software so we're not manually inputting stuff into a spreadsheet to see who won. What appealed to me was more runs (6 or 8) as a base, then if your team does well then you can get a lot more in the head-to-head elimination rounds. Some announcing could make it really exciting.
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    I'd like to throw this into the mix: Team challenge events - run one or a few of these over the year. Could use a random draw from a hat where you team up with someone and your combined pax time is the standing time. Interesting note if someone dnf's that matching # run is dnf for everyone else on the team. We would do groups of three, or create rules to mandate that only one driver can have been to nats, one must be a rookie... etc to even the field. Just a thought to spice things up. May make things for fun and push for barriers that may seem to be there to be broken/knocked down. Shaun- I like the idea of the double event. Could be good but the autox exec has to be on it to run two events in a day. Itd be hard but cool if feasible.
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    Just a note: There is no food vendors at ice racing ... ever. Everyone either bags it, does there own cook out or hikes it to the nearest facility. Part of running a winter event. Oh and I was going to raise a question about how she warms the hotdogs but I thought better.
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    I agree with Corey. Let everyone fend for themselves. At least until attendance picks back up and it doesn't cost money to have a vendor on site
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    That's unsanitary use of a food prep surface. I vote to let people fend for themselves. Not that different from most people's work, other than the lack of fridges.
  19. Triple Track Showdown

    I think cross promoting is a great idea. There may be some drag racers out there who are tired of going in a straight line and dont know it lol. Daryl may not like to co-op but that does not mean that WSCC guys can't show up for a scheduled test and tune night and get a time slip. So this is what I am thinking: WSCC could hold a One lap of America style event that is spread out throughout the summer. The events would include all the 4 wheel motorsports offered in manitoba and competators would be able to choose 3 out of the 5 to earn points towards a "One lap of Manitoba" title. IE a road racer could choose one of their best Road races then try out an auto cross and a drag race, or an autocrosser could do a time attack and a drift event. (A RWD road racer may be able to try all 5) I think the class and points systems from autocross would work very well for all the timed events. some other system would have to somehow tie into it for the drifting as a judged event. We would have to pick a few dates of each of the disciplines to set as official events that go towards the title so that each dicipline knows there may be newbies in odd cars showing up. What better way to attract a few drag racers over to our side than to show up in a formula V obviously most non road racers would not be able to show up for a door to door race but I think its only fair to include the road races as everyone else would have a chance to earn points in their current discipline. and anyone planing on doing time attack would need a licence as well, so we would need to get this set up in the winter and have the word out before the hpde. We could even get the word to the drag community if this is going to be a thing and they could join. If the ice racers want to join in I would suggest something like an ice autocross.
  20. POT LUCK!

    Same here. Stu
  21. POT LUCK!

    I'm in. I'll pick up something in Gimli, probably a salad or a yummy desert. Scott
  22. Promoting autocross

    If we got this hot dog vendor I think attendance may sky rocket... lol Locally grown in Manitoba, the girls from Steinbach
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    That's an idea i'm sure we could either find someone, or have someone volunteer from each run group to cook someone from group B to start and someone from A to take over or help to allow the driver from B to prep?
  24. Event #16 Sept 17

    I hinted at it in my post above but just to make sure it does not get buried, there will be a classing change for the S2000 that Dan and Rob were driving. It was in classed in Mixed but should have been in Modified and further to that it was in SM-S but needs to move to either XP-S or EM-S. This change will affect points for Mixed and may affect points for Modified depending on what class the car moves to. Still waiting for some details to make the proper move but it's going to be a few days as I am in Mississauga now and changes need to be made from the timing laptop and I am not back until Friday. Once it is all finalized I will post here.
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    Regarding low turnouts it really affects our profitability. Especially in that I had to negotiate a deal with our food vendors to compensate for low numbers. This weekend is another $250 to compensate for the lack of attendees. I like having the hot dog guys come out and I think it is a plus for our competitors but it has been cutting into our revenue which is only half of what we estimated for the year. But this is the deal we made so that we didn't upset everyone when we blindside them saying no food is coming today. Do we consider next year doing without a food vendor and everyone has to brown-bag it? Would that turn people off/away? Do we buy ourselves a BBQ and get someone to run it for the lunch break. We could pre-order of food on the registration website so that we could be prepared for the lunch rush.
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    I understand there were many events with lower numbers, but with the number events we had it does give more "chances" for new people to come out rather than giving them the excuse of having to fit it into their busy schedule. It's a bit of a catch 22, less events means less opportunities to come out but more events means we are spread thin on course work and it can be less entertaining/exciting (but more time for fun runs ).
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