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SNELL helmets and you...

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Damn, I read the post on November 20 and tossed my helmet. Looks like I could have used it for another 3 years. That's upsetting.

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Why would you toss it??? That sucks.

If you know of any others that will be tossed, it may be useful as spares for road race. Contact Scott M if you know of any.

 

I bought two new helmets because of that conversation. You guys make your own judgement. However, my helmet has overall seen better days after 5 years of racing. Plus I dropped mine on the floor at home which makes it unusable for competition anyway so I'm not overly disappointed. I can't imagine using a helmet longer than 5yrs. It would not be pleasant inside it!!  :wacko:

 

One word of caution: I wouldn't hold ASN's JUNE 2015 SOLO rules gospel as in my investigation on this, our neighbors to the south have a much tighter deadline (end 2016) for 2005 helmet expiry. Also, when the solo rules were updated, the 2015 standard hadn't been released yet.

Also, many organizations including ASN haven't published their 2016 rules. Something else I've learned while researching this: sometimes, solo gets away with an older helmet than road racers!

Also, ASN may issue a guideline. WCMA, SCCA, NASA, Chump etc. may issue their own recommendation that meets or exceeds that of the insurer. 

 

 

 

 

The following info on expiry can be found with a quick google search...

 

NHRA: 

 

Snell 2005 1/1/2017 SFI 31.1/2005

Snell 2010 1/1/2022 SFI 41.1/2005

 

Chump: 1/1/2017 (Statement from regional director)

 

SCCA (which WCMA likes to follow): "Through to end of 2016" 

Some text I have found from SCCA is that they allow a one year grace period to have the market catch up with the new standard. So they will expire 1/1/2017 for SCCA as well.

 

 

There is also this: http://www.smf.org/standards/sa/2015/SA2015releaseNotes.pdf

 

 

 

All-in-all, if you bought a new helmet, it's likely a good idea anyway. 

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Is there a difference between Solo and Road Race rules? Perhaps Race has more aggressive replacement schedules, and that's where the confusion is coming in to this discussion.

FYI: SNELL M2000 is good until the end of 2015 for Solo when racing with the SCCA. They extended the sunset for the M2000 helmets due to the slow release of the M2015 helmets.

I'm going to try to dig out the old ASN Solo rules. Long ago, they definitely permitted the current standard plus the previous two. When I started in 2000, the M1985 helmets were just phased out, as on M2000, M95, and M90 helmets were valid for competition. If that logic were applied today, an M2005 helmet would have been valid until the M2020 standard came out. That matches SCCA Solo rules. Somewhere along the line, that changed and ASN/WCMA moved to a more aggressive schedule.

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I am aware that we can make our own rules based on the ASN and/or WCMA rules. However, until we do that I'm pretty sure the ASN rules stand. That said, I'm done with this discussion as I have contributed all the facts that I can find and there are enough people speculating already. Also, like Corey mentioned, the lumping together of disciplines probably isn't helping either.

 

Anyway, I'll be over here quietly waiting for new info from official sources as it's released.

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Why would you toss it??? That sucks.

If you know of any others that will be tossed, it may be useful as spares for road race. Contact Scott M if you know of any.

I tossed it because you posted 5 days ago that we can't use 2005 helmets anymore. Did I misread that? Am I mixing up the governing bodies or something?

 

How can a helmet be used as a spare if it has been expired? This does not make any sense. 

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Can we get a response from the local WCMA representative to confirm what our club position is on this restrictive Snell Helmet proposal? Are changes going to be recommended?

 

Are all other Western clubs on board with this restrictive rule changes?

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Thanks , If the label says "bicycle helmet," it needs to meet the standards of the honest Insurance companies here called Consumer Product Safety Commission. It's a law in the United States. Other standards exist (Snell's B-95 standard is even tougher than the CPSC standard). But if you're buying a bike helmet, rest assured that a low-cost helmet meets the same safety standards as a pricey, high-end helmet. Need reassurance? Look for a CPSC sticker inside the helmet.

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On ‎3‎/‎17‎/‎2016 at 1:33 PM, Lori said:

Thanks , If the label says "bicycle helmet," it needs to meet the standards of the honest Insurance companies here called Consumer Product Safety Commission. It's a law in the United States. Other standards exist (Snell's B-95 standard is even tougher than the CPSC standard). But if you're buying a bike helmet, rest assured that a low-cost helmet meets the same safety standards as a pricey, high-end helmet. Need reassurance? Look for a CPSC sticker inside the helmet.

I like that robots are concerned about bicycle helmets. 

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12 hours ago, nopistons said:

2005's are acceptable if that's what you currently have.

And if he doesn't currently have a 2005? What is acceptable then?

 

But srsly, I posted the 2016 ASN helmet rules (complete with a link to them on ASNs website) in the other helmet thread. Let me copypasta that here:

Hey look at this, official info from ASN Canada. http://www.asncanada.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/ASN-2016-Autoslalom-Regulations.pdf

4.5.2 Acceptable helmets:
 FIA 8860-2004
 FIA 8860-2010
 FIA 8859-2015
 Snell 2015 SA, or 2015 M
 Snell 2010 SA, 2010 SAH, or 2010 M
 Snell 2005 SA, or 2005 M (expiry 31.12.2018)
 SFI Foundation 31.1/2015
 SFI Foundation 31.1/2010
 SFI Foundation 31.1/2005 (expiry 31.12.2018)
 SFI Foundation 31.1A or 31.2A (expiry 31.12, 2015)

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BUMP seeking a reply from nopistons on the quoted statement:

On 2016-04-22 at 7:18 PM, Curtis said:

And if he doesn't currently have a 2005? What is acceptable then?

 

But srsly, I posted the 2016 ASN helmet rules (complete with a link to them on ASNs website) in the other helmet thread. Let me copypasta that here:

Hey look at this, official info from ASN Canada. http://www.asncanada.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/ASN-2016-Autoslalom-Regulations.pdf

4.5.2 Acceptable helmets:
 FIA 8860-2004
 FIA 8860-2010
 FIA 8859-2015
 Snell 2015 SA, or 2015 M
 Snell 2010 SA, 2010 SAH, or 2010 M
 Snell 2005 SA, or 2005 M (expiry 31.12.2018)
 SFI Foundation 31.1/2015
 SFI Foundation 31.1/2010
 SFI Foundation 31.1/2005 (expiry 31.12.2018)
 SFI Foundation 31.1A or 31.2A (expiry 31.12, 2015)

 

 

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Hey guys, sorry to bump an old thread. Just wanted to clarify something for myself. I just purchased a rather expensive motorcycle helmet, which should be ok for some road racing classes in Gimli? I'm moving back to Winnipeg in spring, and hoping to get into the car racing scene next year. I used to roadrace bikes up at the track there, but too old and slow for two wheelers now. :)

 

Thank you!

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17 hours ago, SeanS111 said:

Hey guys, sorry to bump an old thread. Just wanted to clarify something for myself. I just purchased a rather expensive motorcycle helmet, which should be ok for some road racing classes in Gimli? I'm moving back to Winnipeg in spring, and hoping to get into the car racing scene next year. I used to roadrace bikes up at the track there, but too old and slow for two wheelers now. :)

 

Thank you!

What level of certification does it meet?  DOT is not enough.

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It's needs the SNELL sticker inside, usually under the liner. There are varying grades of SNELL. 

Unfortunately, I've seen a few people buy very nice new helmets that don't meet current standards for racing cars. 

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On 11/25/2016 at 10:23 AM, Need my Focusin said:

What level of certification does it meet?  DOT is not enough.

By the looks of it, it's only rated at Snell 2010 qualifications. It'll only break my heart a little bit if I need a new one. ;)

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36 minutes ago, SeanS111 said:

By the looks of it, it's only rated at Snell 2010 qualifications. It'll only break my heart a little bit if I need a new one. ;)

Snell "SA" or "M" ?

If you plan to do any "road racing" it must be SA.

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3 minutes ago, Magner said:

Snell "SA" or "M" ?

If you plan to do any "road racing" it must be SA.

I'll double check when I get home, but chances are it's just an M rating. I'll put this one up for sale, and ask Santa for a new helmet for Christmas ;)

 

Thanks all! 

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