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For local and out-of-town vintage racers that require high octane race fuel, the following are local sources in Winnipeg or they are on the way to the race track in Gimli. Call ahead to confirm that they have in stock what you require and the hours that they are open:

Auto Parts Centre (take your own containers)
1102 Notre Dame Ave
Winnipeg, MB R3E 0N8
Phone: 1-877-433-6722
Phone: 204-783-7400
https://www.autopartscenterwpg.ca/parts/high-performance

Century Powersports
880 Century Street 
Winnipeg R3H 0M3 
Phone: 204-338-5050    
https://centurypowersports.ca/en/118-vp-race-fuel

Chudd’s Powersports
Highway 8 at Provincial Road 231
Gimli, MB R0C 1B0
Phone: 1-888-642-8555
Phone: 204-642-8555
https://www.chuddspowersports.com
 
J.M.S. Motorsports
19076 St. Joseph Road
Springfield, Manitoba
Office: 218-478-2720
Mobil: 218-280-0168
http://www.jmsmotorsports.com/

Power Play Inc.
215 Cessna Way
St. Andrews, Manitoba
R1A 3N6
Phone: 204-334-0855
http://powerplayparts.com
 

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Another option is Aviation Gas from various places at St. Andrews Airport. AV 100 LL is cheap compared to race gas, is 100 octane, keeps practically forever, but is leaded so it'll clog cats. From my reading, about 1/2 or more of the Formula Ford folks use it, and many of the top engine builders use it for dyno work. 

It's not legal for use in road cars and the young folks pumping it sometimes can't discern the difference between a road car and a race car, so I just say my gas can is for an ultralight plane to avoid confusion.   

I use Harv's Air Service, 601 Club Rd #100, Saint Andrews, MB. 

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Found this little post on:

http://www.clubdbsa.org/forums/showthread.php?944-100ll-Avgas-!-what-I-found-the-hard-way!

An interesting read. I am not sure what "other forum" it was found on.

As many different views on the internet about avgas vs race fuel as there are on pretty much any other controversial subject in racing circles.From marketing to "personal experience stories to "my brother uses it and it is damn fast". Take your pick and you decide.

 

I think some of you may know this or are just not full of tinkeritis like my self !
This was copied from another forum. Interesting read for avid uneducated tinkerers like my self.

Key points:
-100LL is not 100 octane as we rate it for pump gas (R+M/2). It is actually ~96 octane by that measure.
-Quality and consistency is better than pump
-Shelf life is better than pump.
-Cheaper because you are not paying Road Taxes. Legally it's like running red dye... no no on the street.
-Lower Specific gravity than pump (density) means you actually run leaner with the same jetting.
-Important one here! Lower flame speed than race gas. 100LL is designed for 3500RPM operation. If you run consistently higher than that you will be spitting unburnt fuel out the pipe. Most pre-run or play cars don't spend too much time over 3500RPM 

Real info on Race Gas/Av Gas...

My experience comes from 7 years as the western states representative for 76 Race Fuel, Unocals 40 hours Advanced Products course, Working personally with Tim Wusz (senior performance products Rep for Unocal, Tim was responsible for Unocals race fuel development for 30+ years). I have also met and discussed fuels/motors with just about every engine builder in every facet of racing in the western United States. I also conducted Educational Seminars at the Fred L. Hartley Institute in Brea in which we would invite Engine Builders for a tour of Unocals testing facilities and do live octane tests on any gasoline they would choose to bring to the seminar. Included in the training we would demonstrate live tests how Distillation curve, Reid Vapor Pressure, Specific Gravity, Octane Rating, F;ashpoint, etc are conducted and the importance of these numbers. Some of you will remember me from contingency with my 76 Racing Gasoline hospitality trailer in the 1990's.

Through the 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's Av gas was the base product used for most racing "gasoline". VP, f&L, Turbo Blue, and Trick all used AV gas as the base product. They would buy a tanker (8000 gallons of Av Gas) than add other hydrocarbons/TetraEthylLead (TEL) to the base, drive around the block stopping and accelerating the truck/trailer until they felt the product was mixed well. Obviously this was not science, but it worked for most racers only because most racers use a higher rated octane than they actually need.

In the mid to late 1990's VP graduated to buying there own base product and do there blending of products in a much better fashion. Turbo Blue and Trick have since been bought Sunoco and are blended by Sonoco. Trick was purchased by Phillips 66 and has continued to be blended by Phillips 66.

The only two companies I am aware of who "cracked" there own base product is Sunoco and 76. And as we all know, 76 race fuel is no longer available, leaving only one true manufacturer of Racing Gasoline....Sunoco.

AV Gas has a MOR (motor octane rating) of 96, R+M/2 rating of 100, and ROM (Research Octane Rating) of 106.

AV Gas is lighter than racing gasoline thus more fuel/larger jetting is required. Jetted correctly you should not experience a lean burn at WOT.

I would not use AV Gas as a cleaner. The amount of TEL (2 grams/gallon) and other hydrocarbons makes it extremely carcinogenic. Same goes for all other racing gasolines.

Shelf life is NOT better. The reason pump gas won't last as long is because street gas has extremely lightend hydrocarbons to help your car start and idle. Racing Gasoline does not have these light end hydrocarbons needed for idle and starting, hence the reason race motors start and idle poorly.

Av Gas is NOT designed for low RPM motors. AV Gas is designed to not detonate/preignite causing detination. This would be the same design as race fuel. If you compare the "distillation curve" of AV Gas to Race Gas, you will find they are almost identical. The "distillation curve" controls the speed of burn across the combustion chamber.

You will only "spit" gas out the exhaust pipes if you run to rich or include a supercharger/turbocharger on your engine and "overdrive" the blower. Example would be the bitchin flames you see at the starting line of a drag race on normally aspirated engines and the long flames you see on all "blown" engines.

The LEAD (TEL) added to AV Gas is to increase the octane rating only. All heads these days have harden valve seats. There is no need for lubrication of the valve seats. All engines have come with harden seats since the late 60's.

AV Gas is not formulated for High Altitude. and will have very little, if not any performance differences vs racing gasoline. On the other hand, commercial grade fuels (87, 89, 92) will definitely enhance your performance due to the commercial fuel being oxygenated. The Oxygen enhancers added to commercial fuel is only for California Smog laws.

Advancing timing on your motor will definitely help with AV Gas and Race Gas due to its slow burn characteristics. On the other hand, be careful if your running commercial grade gasoline, more timing can cause detonation/preignition quit quickly.

AV Gas does not go BAD faster. It is extremely consistent. The MOR is only 96, whereas Sunoco Purple or VP C12 is 104. A rating of 96 is good for up to 10:1 on Steel heads and 12:1 on Aluminum heads with water cooling. Air cooled motors run much hotter.

Buying a higher octane for a $20-50K motor is the cheapest insurance available.

Remember this...OCTANE is a measure of a fuels ability to resist detonation/preignition. The higher the Octane number, the slower the fuel burns. Technically speaking 87 Octane fuel will develop more power than 118 Octane fuel. With this said, you should see gains in throttle response and HP by mixing commercial fuel and AV Gas/Race Gas. You now have some light end Hydrocarbons for throttle response and heavy hydrocarbons/TEL for detonation resistance.

Bottom line... use the most consistent fuel you can find and create horsepower by moving as much air as possible though the combustion chamber.

I have no reason to be bias here as I have moved on to much greener pastures. See you on the race course.

Good Luck,
Steve Poole
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