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      The Winnipeg Sports Car Club invites you to attend the 2017 Annual General Meeting and election of Directors and Officers. 
      Thursday, November 23, 2017     Canad Inns “Boardroom”, 826 Regent Avenue @ Plessis (not the casino).   (more...)
      The Boardroom is down the hall by Tavern United (not the Annex room that is off the Aaltos restaurant). 

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15 hours ago, Magner said:

Picked some wheels and tires this week.. since the RE71 are out of stock gone with the Continental contact DW's. In heavy rain these should be phenomenal and serve as a good street tire and occasional autox use. 

Nice pickup, especially with OEM wheels!

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9 hours ago, themikewoo said:

Nice pickup, especially with OEM wheels!

Forgot to add the most important part, thanks for my local sponsor MWR for the years of awesome service ;)

 

Edit: Drove on Tim's new Nexen SUR4G with the vette today, I'll write up full impression after tomorrow's event but the short answer is they are GOOD.

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16 hours ago, Magner said:

Edit: Drove on Tim's new Nexen SUR4G with the vette today, I'll write up full impression after tomorrow's event but the short answer is they are GOOD.

Nexen? Good? Those two words in the same sentence?

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6 hours ago, themikewoo said:

Nexen? Good? Those two words in the same sentence?

Looking forward to @Magner's evaluation. Some heard mine over the weekend, but I thing Chris is a better writer than I so I will leave the online summary to him.

Lets just say Mike, I coned away PAX FTD both days this weekend. Do you need more proof?

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Ok let's Talk Nexen Tires,

Quick Background, the current top tires are the Bridgestone RE71R and the BFG Rival S. All other current tires, Kumho V720, Dunlop ZII SS, Falken Azenis 615K+, Maxis VR-1, Hankook RS-4 are in the same class of tire, but just aren't up to the grip levels of the RE71R and Rival S.

Problem is both RE71R's and Rival S are out of stock for 18" in anything over the 255 tire width, nothing in Canada, nothing in the states could be found new. Since Tim and I were hoping to run the Calgary regional event we needed tires ASAP.

Since the start of the 2017 SCCA nation season, there's been  some "noise" about a new Nexen tire being quick and offering good contingency price money with the SCCA. Bryan Heitkotter (ultra fast driver) out of California running a 350z in STU and another fast father son team (Garfield's) in a CStreet Miata out east both won national events on these tires and paxed very very well overall. From what I could find feedback was positive.

Turns our Nexen has offer the "SUR4" model last year but it didn't make a huge splash however this year they launched the new "SUR4G" model. The "G" model is what the was getting the good reviews. Availability on the SUR4G was also limited but Tim was able to get a set of 265/35/18 in time (considering a Vette can stuff 305's these are small but better than nothing).

Driving impressions:
Saturday we drove them in wet/drying conditions. We played with pressures after second runs, dropping the rears to 28psi and the car hooked everywhere under power (could have been drying conditions and mold release coming off the fresh tires that helped too). Tires were kept cool from the rain/wet course and we didn't have complains witht the grip so it appears these are tires don't need too much heat to be happy.  On Saturday Tim and I BOTH coned away the class win and PAX FTD on our forth runs.
On Sunday we wanted to see how they liked getting hot (dry hot 25c day). Our goal was to see if they were good under heat, it took until my 3rd run (5th for the car until I noticed the rear was not able to hook up under power.  So we sprayed after our my thrid and the car was completely fine after that, considering these tires were 150F front and 120F rear when I checked with a probe in grid, these can tolerate some pretty good heat, spraying after 1 or 2 runs would be a good idea to keep temps in check going forward.

Considering the relatively small size for the vette these tires but down power extremely well. The key factor that makes the RE71R and Rival S so much better than the rest is a their overall higher grip level and  their ability to multi-task, they can lay down power while in a turn. Can't say 100% if a the nexen's provide the same lateral or longitudinal grip as the others without test back to back with a logger but  the Nexen's can multi task, the car is extremly easy to drive on corner exit while applying power. In terms of feel these don't have the knife edge feel of tires like the Dunlop ZII SS or RE71R but are not completely numb like the original RS-3 or Rival's. I would describe the feel as being closer the old Dunlop Z1 SS (if anyone remembers those). The peak grip offered by the Nexen is available through a wider range of slip angles and they offer a good but not "great/extremely crisp" steering feedback.

Depending on your driving style and tire feel preference these might be good or bad. For me it's positive since I don't like tires in the RE71 or Dunlop ZII feel. In my case even if a tire like the RE71R provided more overall grip, I would be likely setting faster times in a tire like the SUR4G since they are easy to control at the limit and are easier to fix mistakes with.

Tire Rack is the only decent place I can find these, if anyone has a lead on a Canadian Supplier, I'd love to know about it. Hopefully these tires can last (both tread and heat cycles)

 

 

 

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I bought a set of RE-71Rs from 1010tires.com this year. They were about $50 more expensive than Costco IIRC, but had stock in my size. They were about the same price as all the other online Canadian retailers, all were within about $20 of each other (total price).

Costco is such a joke for tires this year. The RE-71R is still "temporarily" out of stock. Has been that way since April.

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4 hours ago, Beau said:

Costco is such a joke for tires this year. The RE-71R is still "temporarily" out of stock. Has been that way since April.

The fault does not lie with Costco as far as availability. That is totally in control of the manufacturer. They only manufacture a set number based on the previous years sales and  distribute from that number.

However, that being said, I wish Costco sales people would not miss-lead people into thinking "they MAY come in".

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Just now, Jim Eh. said:

The fault does not lie with Costco as far as availability. That is totally in control of the manufacturer. They only manufacture a set number based on the previous years sales and  distribute from that number.

However, that being said, I wish Costco sales people would not miss-lead people into thinking "they MAY come in".

I think it's more of a case of Costco people not really knowing if/when they are coming in. They wouldn't want to say they aren't coming in since they don't really know.

My RE71's are pretty close to needing replacement so I decided to try the Maxxis VR-1's that @Magner suggested. I quite liked the RE71's, tons of grip and sharp handling but I want something with a little more life in them. The Maxxis tires seem to be just a bit behind the "cheater" tires and from what I could find, get great reviews both for autocross and track use. Ordered direct from Maxxis and paid just over $800 shipped to my door. Will post up my thoughts once I get them mounted and use up the rest of my RE71's next week.

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From what I've read the VR-1 is not as fast as the top tires, for example a 225/45/15 Rival S on a 9" rim is quicker than the 245/40/15 VR-1 on a 10" wheels (as per last year's GRM test) but they more than make up for the performance drop in feel. Read multiple accounts these are extremely "fun" at limit with a very progressive breakaway. Hoon tire for sure. Hopefully they survive Gimli for you.

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58 minutes ago, Magner said:

From what I've read the VR-1 is not as fast as the top tires, for example a 225/45/15 Rival S on a 9" rim is quicker than the 245/40/15 VR-1 on a 10" wheels (as per last year's GRM test) but they more than make up for the performance drop in feel. Read multiple accounts these are extremely "fun" at limit with a very progressive breakaway. Hoon tire for sure. Hopefully they survive Gimli for you.

I'm willing to give up some time in exchange for a longer lasting and more consistent tire so we'll see how these fare. There's a number of people on S2KI who seem to like them for track use both wear wise and for heat management. Hoonability is always a plus too :D

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