Magner Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 The 2017 PAX figures were released a few weeks ago: Link: http://solotime.info/pax/rtp2017.html Note in general all classes (with the exception of the baseline A-Mod 1 factor) have been scaled down. Here's a comparison spreadsheet I found from an Texan autocrosser (Vivek) to compare with expiring 2016 PAX figures. (box J1 can be selected pick 1 class and show the variance between the other classes) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yOMHXNoj2TpsXFv_XuQ4AMsS0tbiAOmfmz3oglTG7gY/edit#gid=0 P.S. @justkickinA-Street PAX just got a ton softer, you have 6 month to come up with some better excuses for the vette being slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I am pretty sure I would have lost to @coach if the PAX factors for 2016 were what 2017 will be. Looks like I need to step up my game...again. Maybe I need to get that Stage 1 tune before the season starts. 8-) Ugh, almost every other class compared to mine gets a bigger drop. At least it's not as bad as last year getting bumped from ESP to ASP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justkickin Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 On 12/4/2016 at 8:54 PM, Magner said: Note in general all classes (with the exception of the baseline A-Mod 1 factor) have been scaled down. Here's a comparison spreadsheet I found from an Texan autocrosser (Vivek) to compare with expiring 2016 PAX figures. (box J1 can be selected pick 1 class and show the variance between the other classes) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yOMHXNoj2TpsXFv_XuQ4AMsS0tbiAOmfmz3oglTG7gY/edit#gid=0 P.S. @justkickinA-Street PAX just got a ton softer, you have 6 month to come up with some better excuses for the vette being slow. Vivek is a great guy and driver. @Magner, I always have excuses. They get better with age, just like a good wine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 @justkickin your whine and mine are pretty much the same vintage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtis Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Hmmm, CS or DS next year? It's not like every class got slower, AM just got faster. Funny how that can happen with a class for purpose built cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRS Joe Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 All street classes got softer compared to mod. If you look the changes were pretty even across the board with a few .001 or .002 differences in the avg .013 change. Who's buying the next MR2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cboettch Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 16 hours ago, Curtis said: Hmmm, CS or DS next year? It's not like every class got slower, AM just got faster. Funny how that can happen with a class for purpose built cars. Holy Shmoly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magner Posted December 15, 2016 Author Share Posted December 15, 2016 On 12/13/2016 at 6:29 PM, Curtis said: Hmmm, CS or DS next year? It's not like every class got slower, AM just got faster. Funny how that can happen with a class for purpose built cars. On a 60 sec run DS gets a 0.54 advantage over the TRD spec FRS in CS... is the TRD stuff worth ~1/4 of a cone penalty each run? 19 hours ago, MRS Joe said: All street classes got softer compared to mod. If you look the changes were pretty even across the board with a few .001 or .002 differences in the avg .013 change. Who's buying the next MR2? Looks like F-Street got hit with a PAX penalty, just in time lol, ready for the challenge? 7 hours ago, cboettch said: Holy Shmoly! Oh come on, your car isn't that far off in terms of holy shmoly level! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtis Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 1 hour ago, Magner said: On a 60 sec run DS gets a 0.54 advantage over the TRD spec FRS in CS... is the TRD stuff worth ~1/4 of a cone penalty each run? Looks like F-Street got hit with a PAX penalty, just in time lol, ready for the challenge? Oh come on, your car isn't that far off in terms of holy shmoly level! On our lot, I doubt it. See a few years of local BS S2k vs STR S2k results for evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magner Posted December 15, 2016 Author Share Posted December 15, 2016 Completely agree, and you are only loosing out on the springs and 1 sway bar of your choice, hardly worth it. For comparison STX is only a ~0.75 penalty on CS and it open up much much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justkickin Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 On 12/13/2016 at 6:29 PM, Curtis said: Hmmm, CS or DS next year? or SSR perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRS Joe Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 6 hours ago, Magner said: Looks like F-Street got hit with a PAX penalty, just in time lol, ready for the challenge? No. I have 175 hp in a 2900-3000 lb car, and I need to keep up with a prepped E92 M3 of the Friesen variety. Fat chance. Ill be out to keep rust off and I'll dream about beating someone in pax. Realistically STX is looking appealing but I'm undecided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 8 hours ago, Curtis said: On our lot, I doubt it. monsta few years of local BS S2k vs STR S2k results for evidence. Right. In. The. Feelings. Wait, Joe, no cookie monster next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtis Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 22 hours ago, justkickin said: or SSR perhaps? Very tempting. A few co-drives for sure. 23 hours ago, Magner said: Completely agree, and you are only loosing out on the springs and 1 sway bar of your choice, hardly worth it. For comparison STX is only a ~0.75 penalty on CS and it open up much much more. Yup. Full ST prep would be awesome but not going to happen for 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRS Joe Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 On 2016-12-15 at 4:47 AM, Corey said: Wait, Joe, no cookie monster next year? Priorities. I haven't touched it. I want to but time is all taken up with Abby. It's a long term project. I bought a E46 323i that I will autocross casually next season. I may be a lot monkey as well depending how I enjoy the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRS Joe Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 http://cdn.growassets.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/018/370/16-fastrack-November-Solo.pdf?1477062058 Interesting changes. JDM cars finally may be getting some recognition. JDM cars identical to north american counterparts may get equal stock classing.... The Focus RS to B street Later Boxsters and Caymans to BS. Early Boxster (97-04) to CS. E36 M3 to DS My E46 non m goes to DS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Eh. Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 On 16/12/2016 at 11:01 PM, MRS Joe said: I want to but time is all taken up with Abby. It's a long term project. They certainly are.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 What have we done in the past with regards to calculating the PAX value for cars running on street tire other than the classes that already have street tires mandatory? I know that we multiply by 0.985 but how do we handle the rounding, do we just round up (so 0.840205 becomes 0.841), do we do standard rounding (i.e. 0.840205 becomes 0.840 and 0.840502 becomes 0.841) or do we use the actual calculated number and only round the final time? Shawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beau Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 1 hour ago, codewhore said: What have we done in the past with regards to calculating the PAX value for cars running on street tire other than the classes that already have street tires mandatory? I know that we multiply by 0.985 but how do we handle the rounding, do we just round up (so 0.840205 becomes 0.841), do we do standard rounding (i.e. 0.840205 becomes 0.840 and 0.840502 becomes 0.841) or do we use the actual calculated number and only round the final time? Shawn We calculate and round the local class pax factors to 3 digits. That is what we publish in the supp regs. That is also how they are input into the computer - with 3 digits. E.g. BSP is 0.853, as dictated by SCCA. We create BSPS by the following method: 0.853*0.985 = 0.840205, which we round to 0.840. The official pax factor for BSPS is 0.840, both in the supp regs and in the timing software. In terms of final pax times, the computer does the math. My assumption is that it rounds to the nearest thousandth, although I suppose it's possible that it truncates instead. Either way, it doesn't really matter because it should do the same for all competitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conebasher Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 I have my work cut out for me to win PAX, but the Pink Panther will be significantly better in 2017 so maybe I'll snag a podium finish or two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insertnamehere Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Picking up a 2015 FiST on the weekend. This'll be the first time I have a PAX friendly car! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRS Joe Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 7 hours ago, insertnamehere said: Picking up a 2015 FiST on the weekend. This'll be the first time I have a PAX friendly car! I predict you will sell it before the season begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beau Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 18 hours ago, insertnamehere said: Picking up a 2015 FiST on the weekend. This'll be the first time I have a PAX friendly car! In for a codrive! ;) I've heard lots of really good things about these cars. A lot of fun on track, but also just a good compact little car to boot around in and get to work with. Great choice, congrats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insertnamehere Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 18 hours ago, MRS Joe said: I predict you will sell it before the season begins. I'm hearing that a lot. 7 hours ago, Beau said: In for a codrive! I've heard lots of really good things about these cars. A lot of fun on track, but also just a good compact little car to boot around in and get to work with. Great choice, congrats! I've tried to find a review that was negative, I've been unsuccessful with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justkickin Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 On 1/19/2017 at 3:06 PM, insertnamehere said: Picking up a 2015 FiST on the weekend. This'll be the first time I have a PAX friendly car! I can't be the only one that thinks that sounds like a porn car! lol. FiST and friendly in the same sentence...the shame...needs decals for more bhp's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRS Joe Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Would this take the pax of the lower car or both combined? http://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/5948013632.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Eh. Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 FUGLY plain and simple. It doesn't really have a PAX maybe a PITY but certainly not a PAX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRDTurko Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 On 2017-01-19 at 3:06 PM, insertnamehere said: Picking up a 2015 FiST on the weekend. This'll be the first time I have a PAX friendly car! Still pissed about the over crowding in HS, basically rendering my Mazda 3 absolutely useless now. The fiesta ST is just the tip of the iceberg here. No way my 150 hp "wagon" can keep up with a tiny hatch with 197hp, not to mention the RSX type S, 500 Abarth, Civic Si, Celica GTS, and Golf GTi. So yeah, I now have a "non-pax wagon" which is another reason why I didn't run it the past two years and why I will be pretty casual with it this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRS Joe Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 5 hours ago, TRDTurko said: Still pissed about the over crowding in HS, basically rendering my Mazda 3 absolutely useless now. The fiesta ST is just the tip of the iceberg here. No way my 150 hp "wagon" can keep up with a tiny hatch with 197hp, not to mention the RSX type S, 500 Abarth, Civic Si, Celica GTS, and Golf GTi. So yeah, I now have a "non-pax wagon" which is another reason why I didn't run it the past two years and why I will be pretty casual with it this year. In the end, a 150hp car can beat 500hp cars. It just comes down to the nut behind the wheel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRDTurko Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 7 hours ago, MRS Joe said: In the end, a 150hp car can beat 500hp cars. It just comes down to the nut behind the wheel. yeah well this nut is pretty rusty lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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