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  2. Jim Eh.

    MPI regarding roll cage addition to insured street car

    Actually, air bags do not even have to function which strikes me as very odd. All the emission equipment has to be in place and working but I guess SAFETY is not part of the program. At least that was last week sorry for the hijack Greg, seems whenever there is a question about our illustrious insurance provider, it always goes sideways.
  3. Brian_Earl_Spilner

    MPI regarding roll cage addition to insured street car

    The other thing that just occurred to me, is that the original poster says that the car is fairly new... Pretty much all newer cars have side and/or curtain airbags as standard. I can see a roll cage getting in the way of the airbags functioning properly. Not sure if that factors into MPI's reasoning, but I can understand it if it does.
  4. Need my Focusin

    MPI regarding roll cage addition to insured street car

    I dont want to be a debbie downer here, but will power through anyways, having a solid roll bar near a soft head can lead to serious injuries in even a minor accident. There is a reason why helmets are necessary. I can totally see why they would make such a decision. But to answer the original question I’ve not heard of this new rule but MPI doesnt seem to feel the need to inform me when they change something.
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  6. Jim Eh.

    MPI regarding roll cage addition to insured street car

    And to be fair, as far as I know, the Porsche GT3 RS (991) w/clubsport package is allowed in Canada. I think this is the model with the "factory" rollbar so I don't see how they can exclude a roll cage in any other car. My point is not to argue the fact that there are factory cars that can do <14 seconds or that a loud, lumpy, heavily cammed car should not be allowed on the street. If you choose to drive one of these cars on the street, expect some issues and or hassles from your insurer. They are certainly going to wonder "exactly where did this single vehicle accident really occur?" if there is ever a claim. And with a full cage in any street car, I think they would be justified in doing so. All boils down to risk. There will probably come a time that some insurance companies will refuse to provide insurance to all sorts of cars for all sorts of reasons.
  7. Jim Eh.

    MPI regarding roll cage addition to insured street car

    I'll bet it got a lot better mileage than the muscle car.
  8. Brian_Earl_Spilner

    MPI regarding roll cage addition to insured street car

    Nish's GT-R ran in the 10's when we took it to the drags... Some stock cars can do those times.
  9. mcorrie

    MPI regarding roll cage addition to insured street car

    I drove my 9 second Skyhawk on the street, complete with roll cage, 13" back tires, Hilborn Alky injection and all. It had a 5 mile cruise radius, but sometimes i wanted to take it for a 711 run to get a big gulp. I got to know the Modified Motor Vehicles act quite well as the police enjoyed looking at my car. Ironically, i never got a ticket while driving that car.
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  11. Jim Eh.

    MPI regarding roll cage addition to insured street car

    Don't like to be the "Bad Guy of Reason" here but WTF would he want to register an 11 second car for the street in the first place? Pretty expensive set of wheels as a DD. So the only other reason would be, well ... we won't go there.
  12. mcorrie

    Door bar rules?

    I've been leaning toward the X bars as well. This is the current model I've been developing for the Camaro, still have some tuning to do, but X bars will be compliant. that being said, i might stretch them into the doors like the Nascar style.
  13. nopistons

    MPI regarding roll cage addition to insured street car

    First I've heard of this. Did they ask where that specific regulation is listed in writing? I find that the folks at the call center aren't that's knowledgeable when it comes to specifics. I have gone right to vehicle standards for those types of questions.
  14. A friend has a fairly new fast car, runs faster than 11.50 in the quarter mile drag strip plus he wants added safety to Time Attack. He had a professionally engineered roll bar/cage installed, swing bars on doors, etc. The car is registered with MPI in Manitoba and he has driven it for several years. He went to renew his MPI the other day and when updating file, mentioned roll bar/cage install. Agent told him that MPI could not insure for road use, phoned MPI offices, they say the same thing. Anyone ever heard of such a ruling? He can go to another agent and just renew insurance but if he is involved in a road accident, would these undisclosed mods void his insurance? Appreciate any input. Thanks, Greg.
  15. nopistons

    Door bar rules?

    Building off what Ian posted... NASCAR bars (FIA Article 253 figure 11) and "X-Style" (FIA Article 253 figure 9) are acceptable and it comes down to car prep, egress considerations and ultimately personal preference. For what it's worth, I have horizontal intrusion bars on my last 3 cars and if i have to build another, it will be an 'X'. That setup plays better with the FIA halo support bar (FIA Article 253 figure 15) and being able to get in and out of the car. Note the accepted design for 2019... 2.B ACCEPTED DESIGNS All vehicles, regardless of date of manufacture, must be fitted with a roll cage conforming to the following specifications (Please note, effective January 1st 2019 new regulations will align with Appx 1 Sections 1, 2.1, 2.A and 2.B.1) 1. FIA a. A Cage that is FIA Homologated, or b. A Cages that conform to the FIA International Sporting Code article 253-8 Appendix J article 8 at the time of vehicle registration. i. Door bars (covered in 8.3.2.1.2), maybe be in anti-intrusion design (multiple plains), if they are according to drawing 253-9 or 253-11 ii. DOM is an acceptable alternate (CDS)
  16. Ianfromduff

    Door bar rules?

    I pulled this out of the wcma technical regulations. Side protection bars must be attached between the front and rear hoops on both sides of the vehicle. These bars should be attached to the front hoop no higher than 30.48 cm (12") off the floor and on the rear hoop and no higher than 60.96 cm (24") off the floor. The competitor's side must be fitted with at least two side protection bars which follow as closely as possible the outline of the door. NASCAR style multiple anti-intrusion bars are highly recommended. No one is gonna turn you away if you decide to do X style door bars tho.
  17. Ianfromduff

    North American Time Attack council

    I'm excited to see what comes of this!
  18. jdm_eg

    Door bar rules?

    Just want to confirm for full caged time attack cars about door bar rules? Nascar style or x style? I've read the rule book but i just need someone to clearify to be 100% please and thanks!! Mitch
  19. Jim Eh.

    2019 Schedule

    I am going to try to upload and maintain, coerce others to do so, ask the discipline directors to do so ... events to the calendar on the forums. This will do two things: 1.) automatically update the calendar on the website (this makes the website home page calendar live) 2.) provide a source for an ical download or feed for others to update their personal calendar automatically. (PM me if you need help with this) Especially for members with CRS. In the posts, additional information can be entered as to schedules, extra or special notes, links, etc. so all the information can be found in one place. Unfortunately the calendar posts can only be edited by the original poster. Opinions/help greatly appreciated.
  20. BigKahuna

    Looking for used 13" black rockets

    Looking for 2 used 13" black rocket or other studded tires for ice racer please pm pic and prices.
  21. a new Time Attack Council has been formed. not exactly a big announcement, but news is slow this time of year... "The goal, according to the group, is to “represent the interests of all drivers, from beginner to professional competitor, in order to ensure access, inclusivity, consistency and a high quality driver experience.” https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/news/north-american-time-attack-council-formed/ https://www.northamericantimeattack.com/
  22. Event 1 Lake Shirley (OPEN) Event 2 Event 3 Event 4 Event 5
  23. Gary_T

    Race car tubing?

    If it was easy, everyone would do it... http://www.wcma.ca/new/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/2018-WCMA-Technical-Regulations-02012018.pdf https://www.fia.com/file/73846/download/20691?token=-HU9nfAD - appendix J of article 253 https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/regulation/file/253 (2015).pdf - article 253 Reading the FIA stuff can be a pain in the ass. Lots of cross referencing other documents/sections. Appendix J of 253 has the diagrams and most of the technical details of what you should build.
  24. mcorrie

    Race car tubing?

    Yes, and they have there own regs as well, you will notice they cut and pasted FIA 253 illustrations and some text here and there. If you ever wanted to know about running there, talk to Dyrk, he's ran it 3 times and can answer questions with first hand experience. http://targanfld.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Volume-2c-Rollcage-Construction-Installation-4.pdf from page 4: "(íi) Material All roll cage shall be manufactured from cold drawn seamless ERW or DOM mild steel tubing. Gross vehicle weight under 2000 lbs (910 kgs) MILD STEEL 1.50 x .120 Gross vehicle weight over 2000 lbs (910 kgs) MILD STEEL 1.75 x .120 These figures represent the minimal allowed. In selecting the steel, attention must be paid to obtaining good elongation properties and adequate weld ability. An inspection hole of at least 4.5 mm diameter must be drilled in a non-critical area of the main hoop to facilitate verification of wall thickness." This does not reflect the WCMA mandate of DOM only OR the same weight breaks for tube specs. These special events all have a different take on this. and I may be wrong, but i think your car has to be approved at the local level before you take it anywhere else - maybe somebody with more experience can chime in on that? i could see that stipulation being a road block if, for example, you build a cage to the Targa specs above with ERW and it fails WCMA tech, but is acceptable at the Targa...but you cant run there because your car isn't certified locally...
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