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  2. Jim Eh.

    2019 Schedule

    I am going to try to upload and maintain, coerce others to do so, ask the discipline directors to do so ... events to the calendar on the forums. This will do two things: 1.) automatically update the calendar on the website (this makes the website home page calendar live) 2.) provide a source for an ical download or feed for others to update their personal calendar automatically. (PM me if you need help with this) Especially for members with CRS. In the posts, additional information can be entered as to schedules, extra or special notes, links, etc. so all the information can be found in one place. Unfortunately the calendar posts can only be edited by the original poster. Opinions/help greatly appreciated.
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  4. BigKahuna

    Looking for used 13" black rockets

    Looking for 2 used 13" black rocket or other studded tires for ice racer please pm pic and prices.
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  6. a new Time Attack Council has been formed. not exactly a big announcement, but news is slow this time of year... "The goal, according to the group, is to “represent the interests of all drivers, from beginner to professional competitor, in order to ensure access, inclusivity, consistency and a high quality driver experience.” https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/news/north-american-time-attack-council-formed/ https://www.northamericantimeattack.com/
  7. Event 1 Lake Shirley (OPEN) Event 2 Event 3 Event 4 Event 5
  8. Gary_T

    Race car tubing?

    If it was easy, everyone would do it... http://www.wcma.ca/new/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/2018-WCMA-Technical-Regulations-02012018.pdf https://www.fia.com/file/73846/download/20691?token=-HU9nfAD - appendix J of article 253 https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/regulation/file/253 (2015).pdf - article 253 Reading the FIA stuff can be a pain in the ass. Lots of cross referencing other documents/sections. Appendix J of 253 has the diagrams and most of the technical details of what you should build.
  9. mcorrie

    Race car tubing?

    Yes, and they have there own regs as well, you will notice they cut and pasted FIA 253 illustrations and some text here and there. If you ever wanted to know about running there, talk to Dyrk, he's ran it 3 times and can answer questions with first hand experience. http://targanfld.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Volume-2c-Rollcage-Construction-Installation-4.pdf from page 4: "(íi) Material All roll cage shall be manufactured from cold drawn seamless ERW or DOM mild steel tubing. Gross vehicle weight under 2000 lbs (910 kgs) MILD STEEL 1.50 x .120 Gross vehicle weight over 2000 lbs (910 kgs) MILD STEEL 1.75 x .120 These figures represent the minimal allowed. In selecting the steel, attention must be paid to obtaining good elongation properties and adequate weld ability. An inspection hole of at least 4.5 mm diameter must be drilled in a non-critical area of the main hoop to facilitate verification of wall thickness." This does not reflect the WCMA mandate of DOM only OR the same weight breaks for tube specs. These special events all have a different take on this. and I may be wrong, but i think your car has to be approved at the local level before you take it anywhere else - maybe somebody with more experience can chime in on that? i could see that stipulation being a road block if, for example, you build a cage to the Targa specs above with ERW and it fails WCMA tech, but is acceptable at the Targa...but you cant run there because your car isn't certified locally...
  10. MRS Joe

    Race car tubing?

    Out of curiousity anyone off hand know what Targa Newfoundland would require? Asking just incase someday happened.
  11. Jim Eh.

    Race car tubing?

    2017 WCMA stipulations for ovality is 8%
  12. nopistons

    Race car tubing?

    True, and if he does go rally racing, the extra bars can easily be added to the standard FIA bar layout. There are a couple folks who regularly run in Gimli with "rally" cages for the inevitable "someday".
  13. mcorrie

    Race car tubing?

    Hey, so because this is a topic that can create some good, informative discussion - and as NoPistons mentioned "just in case you go racing", you really should do the footwork now so your cage is correct the first time, and built for the intended end-use of the car, IE: "maybe i'll go rallying one day?" Well, that's a different set of roll cage rules. There are different materials that are approved, but as mentioned, DOM is the standard. Before you build your own cage, talk to the local club Tech Inspector. Look a the rule book and look at a couple cars. Requirements are changing more recently than ever before and because this is a primary structure, it is not to be taken lightly. Why DOM? no seams, its stronger. The FIA in Europe/Asia has a list of "Approved Builders", these builders have fabricated and destructively tested (iaw FIA test procedures) a sample cage and have been deemed worthy, in fact they are so worthy, that the FIA will let them build a cage with weaker, seamed tubing, but you and i can't. And also because we are largely removed from the FIA, we have a local sanctioning body (WCMA) that is largely responsible for the technical specs like roll cages. There is no "approved builder" list in North America, so there are no options, DOM or 4130 it shall be, but 4130 is another discussion... FIA 253 and 256 should be required reading when preparing a door car for competition. Many sanctioning bodies have a slightly different but similar requirements for the construction of a roll cage, the primary tubing diameter and thickness are like mentioned above, 1.5" x .120" for your vehicle as it will be under a certain weight, 2500-3000lbs usually for 1.5". WCMA, SCCA, NASA, HSR all have there own, even a WCMA club, the SCCBC has there own roll cage rules in addition to the WCMA rules...the list is long, special events like the Silver State Classic Challenge and the Pikes Peak Hill climb have their own roll cage requirements as well (and they will let you build a cage from Aluminum!). Drag racing is a different animal, so is Rally - all different cages. So, talk to the WSCC technical representative and look at the latest updates to cage design and you will be on the right track. matt PS: i have rented a mandrel bender in the past from Campbell North rentals, not sure if they are still around but it was a good bender, under 2% ovality. PPS: i have a UT tester for verifying wall thickness thinning at bends. Wall thickness tends to thin out at .0015" per inch of bend radius used. So a 10" bend rad can expect .015" reduction of wall thickness, or .120" becomes .105" at the outside apex of a 90 degree bend with a 10" rad.
  14. Mat

    2019 Ice Race Dates

    Detailed list of venues and events January 2nd - HPDE Classroom & Drivers Orientation CanadInns 826 Regent Avenue - Winnipeg January 5th - HPDE, Test and Tune, Lapping January 6th - Ice Race #1 Lake Shirley, Water Ski Pond - Winnipeg January 19 - Test and Tune, Open Lapping January 20th - Ice Race #2 CPTC Complex - Beausejour, MB February 2nd - Test and Tune, Open Lapping February 3rd - Ice Race #3 Crescent Lake - Portage La Prairie, MB February 16th - Ice Race #4 Wonderful Winter Weekend - Winnipeg Beach March 2nd - Ice Race #5 March 3rd - Season Finale Ice Race #6 Gimli Ice Fest - Gimli, MB
  15. I'm wondering how much chili they spilt in the vehicle.
  16. Jim Eh.

    2019 Club Executive

    I believe the list is now up to date and correct E.O.E.
  17. Jim Eh.

    WSCC Executive Meeting 2019 #2

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    Location: Canad Inns “Annex” (the room off the Aaltos restaurant) 826 Regent Avenue (at Plessis, not the casino) Winnipeg, Manitoba Time: 6:00pm to 8:00pm Come early for dinner as we have the room beginning at 5:30pm. Take food from the Aaltos buffet, a server will take drink orders and pay for your meal before you leave after the meeting.
  18. Jim Eh.

    WSCC Executive Meeting 2019 #1

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    Location: Canad Inns “Annex” (the room off the Aaltos restaurant) 826 Regent Avenue (at Plessis, not the casino) Winnipeg, Manitoba Time: 6:00pm to 8:00pm Come early for dinner as we have the room beginning at 5:30pm. Take food from the Aaltos buffet, a server will take drink orders and pay for your meal before you leave after the meeting.
  19. nopistons

    Race car tubing?

    1.5" x 0.120 wall DOM covers everything. Make sure you are using a bender that has the correct bend radii and ovalling requirements and follow FIA spec 253 for your tube layout. If you are going to do it, might as well do it as if you are going racing...cuz ya never know!!
  20. Hey guys I am going to need to buy some roll bar tubing for the 1973 celica soon to do the roll cage and tube front end. To run Hot laps and track events etc what should I be buying and welding into the car in terms of size and thickness etc.? What else do I need to consider before buying that I am not aware of? Thanks in advance. ps if someone has a tube bender they are willing to lend me for that would be awesome
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  22. Jim Eh.

    In the WTF MPIC file

    What a bunch of idiots.
  23. MRS Joe

    In the WTF MPIC file

    https://apps.mpi.mb.ca/salvage/SlvgItmImg.asp?salenm=4427&itemnm=139 Takes the cake, err I mean chili..... Fuel has been common lately but this is a new one.
  24. mudchild

    2019 Ice Race Dates

    Pretty awesome work who ever got us all these events!!
  25. The 2019 WSCC club memberships are now available on MSR. Apply. For your Club membership first and then go and apply for your 2019 race licenses, also on MSR. Don't forget to sign the annual waiver. If you have all the necessary information it should be very quick. Note, Sue Wilson, WCMA License Registrar will be going away on a vacation trip starting December 17 and will not return until January 3. During this time she will not be able to issue any licenses, so if you intend to go ice racing apply early. Because of the recently ended mail strike Sue will email you a copy of your license so you will have it for the 1st race. Have a great ice race season, Dino Calvert WCMA Dir.-Stewards
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